top of the hour. i'm suzanne malveaux. i want to get you up to speed. if you accept the demands, i live. if you don't accept the demands, then i die. >> the american kidnapped by al qaeda makes a desperate plea for president obama to save his life. 70-year-old warren weinstein was abducted last august from his home in pakistan. a video posted on several islamist websites, weinstein says al qaeda will release him if the president accepts al qaeda's demands. military investigators now say they do not expect foul play in the death of a sold mother suddenly collapsed during a video chat with his wife. it happened in afghanistan. the wife of army captain bruce kevin clark says her husband fell forward and she saw what appeared to be a bullet hole in a closet behind him. the military officials say there

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people are cheering in france, but here in the united states investors are worried. francois hol lapplande defeated nicolas sarkozy in a runoff election. he says he will boost government spending in france and now the world is concerned that the european debt crisis is going to continue. we'll see how this election impacts your 401(k) as well as other investments. as you can see the dow jones industrial average has been down all morning. right now it is sitting at about 14 points down. european markets were also down sharply to begin the day but recovered a fair bit of the loss by the day's end. there's a controversial ballot initiative to ban same-sex marriage that is coming to a vote tomorrow in north carolina. three members of the obama administration have come out supporting same-sex marriage. secretary of education arne duncan, secretary of housing and urban development, shaun donovan, and vice president joe biden. i want you to take a listen to

the vice president on this weekend's "meet the press." >> men marrying men, women marrying women, and metro sexual m -- heterosexual men and women are entitled to the same civil rights. >> it's unclear whether or not this is a sign that the president's opinion is also changing. billionaire donor whose money is at the center of the john edwards' corruption trial, he knew that the money she gave hip wasn't a campaign contribution. the attorney for rachel "bunny" mellon is testifying today. i want to bring in diane dimond covering the trial who tell us a little bit about what you've seen in the courthouse today. >> reporter: well, i'll tell what you, this should give you a hint. john edwards stood up at the morning break and whispered to his daughter, it's a good morning for the hometown team. and, indeed, the defense did win

a couple of big ones today. i caution everyone that it's like a baseball game. it's only in the third or fourth inning and we don't know who is going to win yet, but here is what happened. the attorney for bunny mellon, a very distinguished man named alexander forger took the stand again today. he testified in effect that b bunny mellon had given senator john edwards money not because he was running for president but because she liked him. she's loyal to her friends and it just so happened that his cause at the moment was running for president of the united states. now, the feds were flabbergasted i think at this and they pulled out some of forger's old grand jury testimony. in that testimony alexander forger was asked is it fair to say when she gave the money, she gave it through the campaign, and his answer was everything was to get him elected. forger sort of bristled that they would even bring up this old testimony, but there it was. i think we've had five people on the stand today.

the second one after forger i think went a long way to mitigate this, and i'll tell but that in a minute. but the second big win for the edwards' defense team was this, the federal government has a letter that bunny mellon dictated to her librarian. he typed it up. it was dated may 2011, and in it she was saying to senator edwards, i'm sorry i can't help you. i know that you want $3 million more, but i just can't help you, but i still believe in you. the letter was never sent, and so there was a great round of objections, the jury was taken out of the room, and the judge ultimately agreed that the jury should not hear that many years after this alleged conspiracy was taking place, john edwards was still back at the mellon trough asking for $3 million more. so that's the bulk of what's gone on so far. >> and, diane, any sense of how the jury is responding to all of this?

you say there were five different people who took the stand. do they look like they're still engaged in this or are they caught up in all the minutia when you talk about some of the financial aspects of this trial? >> reporter: i think that they are engaged today, suzanne, for the simple reason that there's been five witnesses. so they've come and gone fairly quickly. after forger was a woman named aileen laws, who is bunny mellon's secretary. she often wrote out some of these checks, kept her daily correspondence and whatnot. then there was the testimony of the librarian. then we had bunny mellon's grandson take the stand, and he, too, talked about how excited his mother was to know john edwards and even after the race for president was over, she was excited that he might be the attorney general. now, i'll tell you, the librarian testimony was very important and countered the testimony from forger in this way. he said, i talked with bunny mellon almost every single day. she wanted to help the senator.

she wanted to make him be the president. so, you know, it all sort of comes down to what was this money for? was it because she was a good old gal and gave $6.3 million to her friend? or was it to help elect him to higher office? that's the big question. >> good questions. all right, diane, thank you as always. pulling back the curtain for news the courtroom. here is a rundown of some of the stories we're covering over the next hour. first, a mysterious death at churchill downs. a body is found in the stables just hours after the kentucky derby. and the election of france's new socialist president is affecting your bottom line right now at the stock market. and this -- ♪ just when i thought our chance had passed ♪ ♪ you go and save the best for last ♪ >> saving the best for last, superstar, actress, and singer vanessa williams joining me to talk about how she overcame the odds to become just as relevant forever.

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president's agenda. basically he's got to put together a government. he's got to pick the prime minister and the various other ministers that are going to be in the cabinet. he's got a number of international meetings he has to attend to. there's a g-8 summit coming up on camp david on the 19th and 20th. there's the nato summit in chicago on the 20th and 21st. he's got to fly off to germany. he's already said that's going to be his first international trip to germany to meet madam merck 'em is all importa-- merk important because of his disagreement with her recording the euro stimulation pact. if he wants to govern and create the kind of change and atmosphere for change he says he wants to, he's going to have to have the parliament here on his side. so he's going to have to win a majority of seats in that parliament. now, hollande said to his followers last night that his agenda was going to stay the same, that his political agenda

was going to stay the same, and there was going to be no change in what he's already said about the need to get away from austerity in the european thinking and move more towards growth. >> translator: the idea that finally austerity can no longer be something which is inevitable, and of that is the mission which from now on is mine. that is to say, to bring about a dimension of growth, prosperity, and future to europe. >> reporter: so hollande already off to a very quick start here. he's had visits by a number of different ambassadors from various countries, calls from prime ministers and presidents all around the world. one of the first visitors was charles rifkin, the ambassador -- the american ambassador here who is making arrangements for hollande's trip to the united states. suzanne? >> thank you.

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mysterious death at the kentucky derby has people talking. police found the body of a worker in the rear stable area and they call his death suspicious. deborah feyerick is following developments from new york. do they have any idea how this happened? >> no, not just yet. they're in search of the killer right now. louisville police calling this a tragic isolated incident. right now they do not believe it is directly related or linked somehow to the kentucky derby,

that famous race that took place just hours earlier. the victim is 48-year-old adam fabbien perez and a spokesman for churchill downs say he worked as a groomer for cecil barrel. they are apparently devastated by the murder of somebody they had worked alongside for several years. mr. perez's body was discovered by workers early sunday hidden in the back of a different trainer's barn. police say the nature of his wounds and the location suggest this was a homicide. take a listen. >> i have to look at it from the mindset of the individual himself. mr. perez was a father, a brother, obviously the son of someone. that's the purpose and the way we investigate the case. i know others have talked about the derby, churchill downs. i believe this is an isolated incident of a tragic situation that took place and that's the way we're going to approach it. >> and, suzanne, louisville

detectives are now scanning surveillance tapes to see if the killing was recorded. it appears leading up to the derby there had been several arguments, what police are calling altercations. police are trying to determine whether perez was directly involved in those arguments. like everybody who works behind that racetrack and what's called the back side, this very elaborate, almost mini city, mr. perez did have to present quaul fi casecati fications and i.d. to be licensed by the kentucky horse racing association. >> witnesses say they heard an argument taking place in the barn. do we know what kind of role that plays in all this? >> that's crucial because they don't know whether -- again, this was such -- think about the day. this was the day of the kentucky derby. there was all this excitement. there was enormous pressure to get the horses ready, to get them out. churchill downs can accommodate up to 1400 horses during peak times. the kentucky derby being one of them. so whatever was going on, why

this altercation, whether it was an argument or a fight, whether that broke out, that is critical, and they want to know whether mr. perez was involved or what role he may have had in that. one of the problems, suzanne, in the investigation is that some of these grooms, the guys who take care of the horses, they water, they feed, they clean out the stables, not all of them speak english. so investigators are bringing in translators so they can kind of make some headway. >> do we know if surveillance tapes show us anything? >> well, it's very interesting. clearly, a lot of folks who work back there, they know where the surveillance cameras are. the location of the body, the fact it was found in this back part of the barn, that's kind of interesting because it's not a place where he should have been. it's not a place that people normally go, and certainly the stable workers don't normally sleep there. so that he was sort of in that back location suggests that either it happened there out of sight or perhaps was put there. so a good question.

something that detectives are looking into, suzanne. >> all right. deb, thank you. you think ron paul is out of options? think again. libertarian long shot has a strategy that has the potential to seriously mess with mitt romney's head, maybe even change the narrative of the republican national convention.

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all right. let's talk about ron paul. remember him? maybe you haven't heard his name for a while, but the republican candidate still has an ace up his sleeve. a chance to really mess with mitt romney's head at the republican national convention. want to bring in paul steinhauser. he joins us from d.c. to talk a little bit about this. explain to our viewers exactly the kind of influence that he still has now. >> he's the last man standing, i guess you can say, suzanne. newt gingrich gone, rick santorum gone. both of them suspending their campaigns. but ron paul continues on. we know it is over. mitt romney is the presumptive gop nominee. he will win the nomination officially in tampa for the republican convention, but ron paul continues to campaign out there, and over the weekend, suzanne, this is fascinating. in two states, nevada and maine, they had their state conventions. they have earlier held their caucuses and ron paul the majority of convention delegates in both of those states, and that is interesting and troublesome i guess for the

romney campaign. ron paul has devoted, energetic, enthusiastic supporters and they really crowded these two state conventions and now ron paul has won the majority. that may be contested by the romney campaign. stay tuned on that one. ron paul is going to have, no doubt about it, he's going to have some influence at the tampa convention. >> talk a little about that influence. you look at this and it could disrupt things at the convention. on the other hand, maybe it's just changing the agenda when you see all those ron paul signs, the supporters who are going to be out there in those numbers. programs romney will adjust his agenda and talk about some of the issues that ron paul is interested in. >> and that's really what ron paul is all about. i think his campaign is also a campaign for the white house and more of a campaign for a movement. and his movement, we've seen it, he's prosit la advertised it over and over again. a smaller federal government, less taxes, less government spending, more of a libertarian approach to things. and, yeah, even though mitt romney won over 50% of the vote in the nevada caucuses back in

early february, ron paul will now have a majority of the delegates in nevada unless things are overturned. but they're going to have to vote for mitt romney at least on the first ballot. i talked to some ron paul advisers and maybe there's a little hope this will go past the first ballot. it's not. but ron paul will have some influence. we have primaries in indiana, north carolina, and west virginia tomorrow. it's over for the nomination, but look at the vote totals ron paul gets. if it's higher than the 15% or 16% he's been averaging that will be interesting. >> what about the independents here? ron paul really does have the possibility of attracting some of those independents and holding onto them. maybe they're not even going to be supporting romney because they are ron paul supporters. >> that's a good point, too. that's why i think you're really going to want to see mitt romney have good relations with the paul camp because romney's main objective is going up against president obama in november, of course, obviously. and he wants his house unified, and that's why i think you're going to have to see some kind

of relationship between romney and the ron paul camp. one other thing out there, rand paul, ron paul's son, the freshman senator from kentucky. who know what is his future is. if mitt romney does not win in november, if rand paul will make his own bid for the white house in 2016. stay tuned on this one, suzanne. >> staying tuned as always, paul. "fortune" releasing its lost of the top 500 companies today. we'll be looking at some of the businesses making the cut. today we're talking about number one, a company that definitely is hitting the gas. >> reporter: one of the world's largest oil companies takes the top spot on the fortune 500 list. it beat out walmart which held the position for the previous two years. exxonmobil pays the highest corporate dividends in the company. the republican reported a profit of more than $41 billion last year. and with gas prices hovering around $4 a gallon, that's

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this just in. we have new pictures of a train derailment. it looks like it hit a tanker truck. s in -- this is in harris county, texas. we understand there are no injuries out of this accident that's being reported, but again officials on the scene trying to get more information, but so far no injuries on that crash. well, with all the political rhetoric flying back and forth, sometimes it's pretty hard to separate fact from fiction, so we're putting some of those

political claims to the fact check. angie holen is joining us from tampa, florida. want to talk about the claim from president obama's campaign website. it says under the romney/ryan budget, interest rates on the federal student loans would be allowed to double. what do we know? >> we rated this one false. now, this comes from a little web cartoon they've put on their campaign website. they say a young woman who graduated from college, they call her julia, would see interest rates go up. but that is not the romney position. it's not the position of republicans in congress. now, this week we're seeing the president and congress try to negotiate how they're going to do this, about you we rated the statement false. >> let's talk about this one, a campaign ad from american crossroads, quote, after four years of a celebrity president, 85% ofecen colle s. bacnheir false? >> we rated this one false, too. with this one, this is based on

an old poll that has just been repeated recently in the media. as far as -- we can't tell anything about its methodology, and then when we consulted our newer polls, we found that the number was much lower, about half that. and we've got a really interesting story on our site about how this nam made imade i through the media. finally the tv ads for americans for prosperity says the stimulus bill sent tax credits overseas such as $1.2 billion to a solar company that's building a plant in mexico. angie? >> this one got even worse. pants on fire. >> oh, geez. >> now, yeah, it was a very convoluted explanation, but the bottom line is that it was a loan guarantee that went to building an electricity plant in california, not mexico. now, one of the companies

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starred on broadway, in movies, on tv, most recently ugly betty, desperate housewife. she's joining us with her mother, helen williams. that's a long list there. i can't keep up with you. >> i'm happy to be still in the game after almost 30 years. >> and we've been waiting 30 years for this to come out. >> yeah, yeah. >> cover to cover you can tell i had all the little stickies, the post its here. >> that means you read it. >> i read it yesterday, as a matter of fact. tell us why, why are you telling your story now? >> because i think as a mother of four looking back i have a lot of people that didn't know anything about my past. for instance, as renee on desperate housewife, i sang at mike's funeral and i sang maybe one verse of "amazing grace" a cappella. and my twitter feed said i had no idea you could sing. >> you were like, wait a minute, i was a singer first. >> besides that, a lot of people

ask how did you get into the industry. is it because you're famous? oh, you're a beauty queen and that's what opened doors for you. it's my terms and my words and my mother wrote her words, and this is the story of my life and it's not all easy breezy. >> no, it's not. it's a little tmi, mom. i don't know if you agree with that. it's graphic. >> yes. >> other times you shake your head. there are times you cry. sometimes you laugh. one of the segments you just go right there to the moment where you became miss america. that was a very -- it was an incredible moment for so many people, and you write about at that time in your life you were, what, 20 years old? >> 20 years ode. >> you were a rebel. you say you were smoking pot, you were drinking. >> it was early '80s and i was that girl who was a normal kid. who was a junior in college and i named the book "you have no idea" because partly when i won

miss syracuse at 20 years old, it was something that i had no intention of doing. i needed scholarship money. i never thought i'd win. i ended up winning it, and when i was crowned and brought my silver tray back to my apartment hanging out with my friends, they go, they have no idea who they just chose. >> and it just started from there. i was one of those little girls who watched the pageant back then who was so happy and so proud of that moment, and you went from that moment and, helen, you talk a little bit about this, where you call it a reign of terror because there were people who sent you a lot of racist letters after this amazing triumph. what kind of things did you get that you were protecting vanessa from? >> it was a very difficult time for us. we wanted vanessa to enjoy her year as mist america, and so we would get letters in the mail with all kinds of disgusting contents. we would get letters that would threaten us, threaten her.

>> you said you wore gloves. you had to wear gloves -- >> yes, the fbi -- >> let's be graphic. >> pubic hair -- >> semen. >> all kinds of things mailed to your home. and you didn't talk to vanessa about this at this time. you were trying to protect her. >> we wanted her to enjoy her year. we knew this was an exciting time in her life and we wanted to her enjoy the experience. we were very, very conscious of the kinds of things that could happen. the dangers that were in store for her if she wasn't careful. >> and i was on the road so, you know, ft. someone knocks on your door in a particular area, do not answer the door, even if they say they're room service. when do you this particular parade, you're going to have to stay inside the car and not be outside exposed. so i had an idea that, why are there sharp shooters on the roofs over there? maybe there's some issue here. but they wanted to shelter me from the fact that i could be assassinated which is crazy. >> that does sound absolutely crazy when you think about it at

the time but it really was such a historic occasion. talk a little bit about you talk about in your book, it wasn't just the white community, but there are some blacks who were upset with your win. >> some -- there were some people that felt that i didn't truly represent the black community, that i wasn't black enough, that i wasn't from the inner city, that i didn't look truly black enough so, therefore, i wasn't a representative, and that -- you know, i am who i am. i had the experience that i did. i grew up in a black family in a predominantly white neighborhood and that was my life. >> get over it, huh? >> yes, exactly. and it was a very, very small portion of the black community that didn't support her. >> but it still hurt. >> but still there were there and they made themselves vocal. >> let's talk about the moment that had to hurt the most. the moment you knew those nude photos in "penthouse" were going to come out. you had 72 hours to relinquish

your crown and this was the announcement that you made. >> the potential harm to the pageant and the bitter division this may cause has convinced me i must relinquish my title. >> i sound so young. i was 21. >> you were very young. >> my voice is up like this. >> i was really surprised when you said, you know what? they don't know me. they don't know the real person i am. i'm going to be back and i'm going to prove that i'm not this person that you've seen in these photos. how was it that you had that confidence? where did that come from? >> i think i had a career before that, and career -- not professional career but i had done theater my entire life and danced my entire life. people knew they could expect me on broadway. even in my high school yearbook at the end it was see you on broadway. the fact there were -- i was known as a scandalous beauty queen where i was an actual

accomplished theater major already, i knew that once the dust settled, they get a chance to see me act and sing -- >> how did you know that, you were just a young girl trying to make your way? >> i don't know. maybe it's dumb luck. maybe it's having pamprents tha were supportive, or maybe it's just being an optimist. >> and also because she was prepared. she had been -- had the training. she's a hard worker. she had a goal set for her life, and, you know, when you have those things in place, you can only move forward. >> and also my goal was not to be miss america, so it was kind of a detour even though i was appreciate yif that i got a chance to create history and got a chance to have ten amazing months as miss america but the goal was to be on broadway. i was preparing for that anyway. it took me ten years to get there, but i got there. >> you did. you absolutely did get there. helen, you talk a little bit about that moment when you realized everything was going to change. vanessa, your father never saw those photos.

you did. and when you looked into those photos, you saw something very different than the rest of the world. can you describe for us what that was like. >> her dad did not want to see them and did not want to see them. i wanted to see them because i was curious about what all the concerns were. when i looked at them, i looked at her eyes, and i could see that she was not comfortable, that it was something that she was -- it was not something she intended to do for national exposure. and i could see the person who vanessa was. a lot of sadness in those eyes at that point. >> and part of the journey that i map out in the book, and i know people say why now, why are you telling the same old story which we have heard over and over again, one of the things i dill vugeed in the book that had to do for me fighting for the crown, a lot of people thought you should fight for the crown, there's no reason why you should be -- not keep your crown, part of the reason i decided not to continue, my parents were paying

for my legal fees, i was suing "penthouse" magazine and he decided not to because i didn't want to have any more of my past dredged up, and there's a portion that i mention in the book about being molested by a woman, and my attorneys asked me before we went to trial, said, by the way, everything is going to come up. so have you ever been with a woman before. i said only when i was 10 years old and when i was molested. he said, well, that's going to come up so just be prepared. at that point at 21, 22 years old, i said i'm done. it's enough. i didn't tell my parents. i didn't tell anybody. i just kept -- dropped the suit and wanted to move on with my life. >> did you think that people would understand because that sounds like such a strange thing to happen, being molested by a woman. that anyone would believe you or -- >> there have been so many people who have come up to me since reading the book. it's almost alarming the amount of people that have been abused and molested that are friends of mine and people -- acquaintances and people that come up and confide in me.

it's really disturbing, the amount of pim who have been affected. >> helen, you say you had no idea this happened to vanessa until you wrote the book together. >> yes. i had no idea. >> hence the name of the book. "you have no idea." never judge. >> so appropriate. we're going to have a lot more to talk about after a quick break. >> okay. >> all right, thank you. [ male announcer ] introducing the dell xps 13 ultrabook™, powered by a second gen intel® core™ i5 or i7 processor. everything. and more.

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winning singer, actress, dancer, model, and author vanessa williams. she's sold more than 20 million albums worldwide and she's the mother of four as well. she joins us with her own mom, helen williams. we were just talking in the break about how it was me and my twin sister watching you get crowned miss america in our pajamas screaming up and down with my mom. it was one of those special moments. you have since moved on. there are a lot of other things that you have done, a lot of things that you reveal here in the book. i want to take us to a clip here, if i can, "ugly betty" and that character that people just love, love to hate maybe. let's take a look. >> i wonder who started that rumor. >> oh, my god. it's happened. the botox has finally seeped into your brain. what are you doing? >> i took lemons and made a lemon martini. >> so you want to destroy mode?

>> all right. wilhelmina, she is fierce. >> i miss her so much. >> all right. so vanessa, you have a confession to make. where do you channel this wilhelmina character from? where does it come from? >> i started her off as, you know, as a fashion maichb ave and used all tidbits from people from photo shoots. with once i got into the character, i started to give these looks. and my mother's friends would call her and seau, helen, she really has you down. that's one of your looks. so i think my mom helped a lot to create wilamia because she has patented the icy stare. >> i have not seen this icy stare. you've been very quiet. >> because i like you. >> that's a good thing. so she gets the character from you a little bit. >> that's what she tells me. i don't see it. i see myself as a kind, gentle,

sweet person. >> we have to talk a lit bit about the kind, gent the sweet person. you have a list you created. tell us about this list. >> through the years, there have been times people said things on tv or vanessa has been teased or joked about. i don't like it. you don'tays have that opportunity. i also created a list. >> who's on the list? >> the fashion police. >> she's okay now. is she off the list. >> i love her jokes. i think she's very, very funny. but i don't like it when she talks about my daughter in a joking manner that i don't

approve of. >> always a mother. >> so you're a mother of four as well. and your mom says you're a hopeless romantic. you were just so in love with your first boyfriend, so in love th your first husband, rick fox, the second one. love, love, love, love, love. you didn't approve of these, did you? >> it's not that i didn't approve of them but i saw obstacles in her future with them. that concerned many e. >> she's being so to po lite. the book not so polite there. >> you'll know the difference. >> what is your future now? >> my kids are doing great. looking for another husband? >> always looking. my kids are great, 24, 22, 19 and 12. my son is a freshman in college. the other girls are out and sasha is sixth grade and graduates next month out in l.a.

they're doing wonderfully. and they're always up for the next adventure. >> which one is payback. the child you were to your mother. the one that gave you so much grief. which one is it? >> they're all really good. i have to say. >> none like you? >> no one is near me at all. you know, i do give grief, but as a mother of four girls i don't take it personally. >> three girls. >> three girl, one boy. going through it four times with kids going through adolescence. my youngest is just about to go through it. and you realize you don't take it personally they have their outbursts because their hormones, their brain is not fully developed and you have to -- you know, when they say they hate you and slam the door, you have to realize one day on the other side it will come out and they'll be back to themselves again. >> if there was one thing thatg away from your experience, your life journey, what would it be? >> in those pages, i would say

the biggest lesson is you are not the events in your life. it's how you view them and choose to move on with your life that is rewarding. that does not define who you are. >> what's your next big adventure? >> in the studio doing an album. just did a pilot in new york. might be another series happening. >> and for mom? >> my advice for young women? or for mothers is just to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel. you will get through those adolescent years and you will learn to love your children regardless. >> you can tell there's a lot of love in this room here. it's an excellent book it. really is very inspiring. thank you both. helen and vanessa. really appreciate it. stock market bouncing back after taking a dip. we're going to take a look at

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the dow is up slightly. nasdaq is up half of 1%. the s&p is up 1/3 of 1%. markets did fall after the french election results, but have recovered except for the german markets. asia dropped more than 2 mrs., but that was also in part because of reaction. it was the first day it had a chance to react to that less than stellar jobs number we got on friday in the u.s. the head of pimco said the narcotics are behaving in a mature fashion, which i think is an interesting way to talk about the market. i guess the markets are reacting to a news in the sense that they kind of now know what the outcome is for the french elections. >> the french election is an ocean away. what is the big concern for investors here in the united states? >> well, it brings that word uncertainty back in the market. a change in government during a debt crisis makes for a lot of uncertainty. we have a new leader in france

who wants to change policy. hollande isn't a fan of os terty measures or spending cuts which we've been talking about for months in the european sooen. -- zone. it futs the franco-german relationship into jeopardy. hollande favors spend iing to create jobs. and that's going to increase their debt. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. don't forget, you can watch cnn live on your computer. cnn news room is continuing right now with banfield. >> let's start with rapid fire. let's go.

here's how it starts. security officials saying militants attacked when 26 soldiers were killed and another 16 hostage. militants also escaped with weapons, armored vehicles and tanks as well. one was killed yesterday in a car bombing. he was wanted for the u.s.s. cole coming back in 2000. officials are looking for a mother and three daughters. and two bodies were discovered in mississippi. they believe this man, adam mays is, quote, responsible for their disappearance and he's on the loose. he told his landlord he thought one of the three missing girls was his.

>> he thought up with was, but that's all he ever said. he thought one was. but as far as actually knowing for sure, he didn't. >> also, my life is in your hands, mr. president. that's what an american man abducted says in a video that was posted on several islamist websites. he's making an emotional plea to president obama saying if the president meets eight demands, really wide ranging demands that were set out by al qaeda's leaders that he'll be released. but if those demands are not met, he says that he is going to die. u.s. army investigators now say that there is no foul play and no gunshot wound involved in if the death of a soldier who just collapsed during a skype chat with his wife. army captain bruce kevin clark was in afghanistan. she says her husband simply fell forward. she said she saw what appeared

to be a bullet hole in the closet behind him. but s but the military says there were no wounds on his body to support that. and education secretary arnie duncan says he supports joe marriage. this comes on the heels of joe biden saying he's comfortable with two men or two women marrying. here's how biden addressed his opinion and compared it to the president on "meet the press." >> look, i am vice president of the united states of america. the president sets the policy. i am absolute lly comfortable wh the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women and heterosexual men and women marrying are all entitled the same exact rights, all the same civil rights and civil liberties. i don't see much of a distinction beyond that.

>> gop presidential nominee mitt romney has a town hall today in ohio so he could kick off the official campaign. the re-election bid beginning in earnest. a gallup poll is showing about six months before election day, obama and romney a dead heat. buckle up. also making news, prince harry going to visit wounded u.s. and british military visits. they took part in what's called the warrior games. an annual event. it's awesome for wounded and injured troops. the prince is also going to receive a humanitarian prize tonight in washington, d.c. because of his work with wounded warriors. step aside, a superhero summit

destroys box office records. when we say destroy, we mean completely obliterated. it took in an estimated $200.3 million just this weekend in the good ole u.s. of a. why. it's a culmination of the five-year plan to bring each character to life on the big screen and then do this, team them up. it was really good stuff. all right, so austerity is quickly becoming kind of a bad word, you might say, in parts of europe. as voters are going to the polls and saying mm-hmm. is there going to be a ripple effect in the united states, what does it mean to you. and does it even matter to you. going to break that all down. and later, there is a lot of criticism about the obama administration reaching out to the taliban. and now we're learning taliban prisoners are being released. it's all coming up. i'm like...y. little did i know

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measures sarkozy helped to sponsor. looks like the europeans don't like it when they have to cut back. let's sort through all of this. how similar are they to us? do we need to look at what's going on in europe? >> we had governments over there, too much debt relative to the size of the economy. clearly you have conflicting goals here, right? you want long term to get the budgets back in balance. at least get the trajectory right. you don't want to starve an economy that's always fragile. that's the tension that's similar here. it's different, though with france and greece.

>> sounds like there's no difference in the fis philosoph. how do you make this go tick-tick again. >> where it's different, though is in france and in greece, they're rebelled against the idea that people from outside the country, whether it's european central bank bureaucrats or germany were making these decisions and basically approving our budgets and setting the terms for getting some kind of help. . >> people are saying my goodness, how long is it before we have to answer to people like china. so far, the markets are giving the pass -- china, because they're a lender to us, that's the one that we would have to think about. without a vote, without a

discussion domestically, okay, rimplt age goes higher with social security. you would see a similar kind of dissatisfaction i think here. >> a lot of americans look over to a country like greece and they hear the stories oh, you can retire at 40 and double dip and do all these things, are the europeans -- i'm not going to single out greece and suggest we can do the broad brush stroke either. but if we can generally look at the injury euro zone, are they asking for too much? or do they need more? >> they're not necessarily asking for too much to buy themselves time, but yes, there's a rethinking of exactly what you're entitled too to. >> a rethinking or a complete attitude adjustment? >> you have to adjust. even the candidate who won in france said we have to think about growth alongside austerity. how do you define gro et? people from the private sector view say you loosen labor and regulations and basically allow

your economy to be more flexible than it is right now. what they're thinking is no, let's keep the government keeping people on the payroll, keeping pensions strong so you have that demand there. >> what does angela merkel do now? >> she established a close relation shi with sarkozy. but she obviously holds the car. it's easy to be a candidate and say i want to renegotiate the european pact that set the terms for the bailout and reducing debt and all the rest of it. it's another thing to be a leader of a country and having to go to somebody and say look, this is a settled deal. not as if you can blow up the agreement because you told the voters you can do that. i do think she has to establish some kind of trust and rapport. she's going to have to foster growth as well as austerity. >> people who read barons know

everything of what you're saying and more. people are going to work to try to feed their kids and watching what's going on in europe and people who like long vacations and great benefits don't understand whhow this affects t united states. is it going to affect my 401(k)? >> it shouldn't be a big domino effect immediately. what we have to watch is whether you have the confidence in the european bailout structure undermined which would have markets. that wouldn't be good for our markets. >> christine romans said this morning, everybody is going bananas about how the markets were going to tank today. they didn't seem to. >> i think the results were transmitted ahead of time. i think the markets are in wait and see mode to see if this really means anything for the dmi. it's not as if it changes the economic picture for u.s. companies or consumers. so right now, we have to just

see what the broader implications are going to be. >> i was just looking at the ticker live. it doesn't look half as bad as we thought. yeah. so prisoners, being released from the obama administration, is 245 the kind of bargain people are going to go for. is that a great value to it? if you made a list of countries from around the world... ...with the best math scores.

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high high-level insurgent leaders are now free men. officials confirming they were release the from nato custody.

i got a lot of questions on this, why are we finding out about this now? this has been going on for two years. and good lord, 20 people, isn't this dangerous? >> well, a lot of confusing elements to this. eshd understand, this is happen on a local level. apparently when according to u.s., a little battle space a particular part of afghanistan, when he's talking that afghan officials, the officials have suggest zuged sometimes released to try to smooth negotiations. occasionally, a bridge towards peace talks. sometimes just to boost the whole sort of afghan above the in that particular area. but yes, they do say up to 20 have been released in the past couple of years.

they vet all these people beforehand and therefore they don't pose a risk. ashleiy? we've seen people who are innocuous and go right back to hair insurgency group or they form new ones or spearhead new movements themselves. what do we do with these guys after we let them go? back in the community, they can use him or use the gift of his return for a group of people to try to win them over.

yes, there are concerns they may go after insurgeon pi . there have been military rejections. been trying to maintain peace talks. people are asking today if it's possible for the u.s. military. the local commanders hit in afghan stap. so many questions there as a result of the revelations today. with edo appreciate it.

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and three daughters. >> adam mayes is the man they're searching for. his car was later found the ecdkidnapng over the weengd, terrible news. the bodies were found 50 miles from the home. in tennessee, 50 miles away. and yet there's a connection. so martin, i think a lot of people are saying if two bodies were found but we have a mother and three daughters missing, what was the conntion and why is there any connection between these bodies and these missing young women and their mother? >> the first thing we have to know who are the two bodies there were discovered. they will only say the bodies are tied to the session over the missing mother and her three daughters.

however, it's worth pointing out that we did not have an amber alert until these bodies were discovered. so what does that really tell us? could it be others tied into this unusual story. we talked@fbi. they wouldn't describe the bodies, are they children or adults? nothing like that. we don't know at this point, err other than the story on april 27. it's gary bane who said his wife and three daughters have gone missing. authorities thought this was a case where the mother and daughters had gone off willin y willingly. however, with the discovery of the bodies this turned the whole investigation upside down. they believe the girl and mother are in extreme danger.

police say there is a connection between mayes and this family. yet here's this loving family and a very dangerous man. what is the connection there. or are there they leaving this? mace had a relationship. there were photographs he shared on his facebook page. he said he would come and have the girls business visit with them. it aer pianos this family trusted mayes. there was no reason to worry or doubt. but something went terribly wrong in the last 10 day wps pe don't know, and if authorities know, they aren't revealing it to us. >> what is this strange word there might be some suspicion that mace thoug

that mayes throughout one of these girls was his daughter. >> this comes from neighbors who knew mayes. almost all his neighbors and landlady say he was a nice guy. they also say he was very close to the girl and yes, stold a neighbor he believes one of the girls was his. does that mean biologically or some other way, we simply don't know. but it is clear he felt very close to this family and they reciprocat reciprocated. at some point, they were in arizona all together. so it shows they had a close relationship, what it doesn't tell us what changed. authorities do believe the appearance of the missing mother and her children may have changed. they cut their air and maybe dyed their hair. they don't say how they know it. >> and the supposition was this is not a willing kmang of appearance. they're calling it a kidnapping at this point. what's this connection to several other states. this is a tennessee story, but

police are talking about other places where he's connected to? >> of course, tennessee is where the family that was missing was from. mississippi is where he's from. it's also where the bodies were found on his property in shallow graves. then he has connections to a number of other states here in the south, which is why it's a very broad net that's been cast out there and a very urgent one. >> keep on it for us and let us know when there's a change in that or if police talk a little bit more about it. martin savage reporting live for us this afternoon. got a another story for you. it involved the kentucky derby, a barndy. [ male announcer ] introducing the dell xps 13 ultrabook™,

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>> in 11 days, we might see financial history unfold.

facebook is going on sale. cube the largest initial public offering on sale. each share going somewhere between $28 and $35. valuing facebook at 77 to $96 billion with a b dollars. what's being called the road show, got under way in earnest. officials and investors per persuaded to buy the stock. >> i think we're going to get to this point that almost every app you use is going to be integrated with facebook in some way. the developers of those apps are going to want to make it so you can enjoy apps with your friend and share content back to facebook to help grow those apps. >> now there's news a small investor has a better shot at getting in on the game. not so much poppy harlow. >> i'm not a big investor.

>> bated breath. you were there, you ran, you got in on the road show? give me the lowdown. >> this is the day that facebook kicks off its ipo road show. stud in new york, boston, et cetera. it convinces big wall street hitters to buy the stock. it put on a talk. mark zuckerberg was there. i saw him. i said do you have a minute? she didn't t but i said congratulations. big, big day for facebook. here's what changed. a lot of people are saying how do we get in on this? the answer you're always giving is you're probably not going to have a shot. but you may now. so what happens is the company files a prospectus with government regulators. and last week they added e trade to the list of 33 underwriters. this is what a lot of people use to do stock trading. so etrade is one of the

underwriters. this may mean you have a better shot of get into that initial public offer offering depending on how many shares they're going to offer, which could be millions at that price. another way to do it is if you are investing in a fund like t.rowe price or fidelity. they already hold shares in facebook. you're still going to see the institutional investors get more of a percent, but some cited on wall street saying 20% to 2025% may go to more of the average investors. you' got to think about, do i want to get into this company. you can't just buy in because of hype. >> i love that you talked about the e tlad trade thing. i was going to ask if you thought it was a gimmick i can thing. you have warren buffett saying i wouldn't do this. >> he is a sage investor, the oracle of omaha. i asked him about facebook. we might some sound to play there. he basically told me, well, take a listen.

>> i can't recall in my life buying a new offering. the seller electing the time to sell is going to be the best single investment that i can make in the world. it's mathematically impossible. so we're not a buyer. warn buffett, no the a buyer of facebook, but he did tell me he would not short facebook, which mean he is wouldn't bet against it, either. >> he said i don't invest in things i don't know about that. he always said that. but this is a new age. zuckerburg is doing the online tour. does that tell you that maybe this isn't something he

understands? >> he sits back and thinks about his investments. if you think about what they even. they own dairy queen, shaw paint, housing companies. things that are there are r very, very, very diverse. he's not totally out of tech. i think he will be wise and sit but at this point this is not something he's interested in. >> christine romans was talking about this as well. if you don't already have an online trading account, is this the time to set one up and go wild or facebook? or should you be more savvy before you get in? >> you can fut a little money in, test it out if you want. you can make what's called a conditional offer. you could say i want to buy up to x many shares and up to x

price. you may or may not get it. it depends on what happens on that offering. you're not necessarily going to get the amount of shares you put the offer in if you like it and you believe in the company, you can fut your money behind it. if you want to sit and wait and watch and see what happens, it's not going away. >> like the way the rest us losers have been getting on apple? last yes, i told you the last question was the last question. here's the real last question. $28 to $35. is that likely to be close to the price if you want to get in, say through e trade? is that likely what you're going to end up with? >> what we saw with google, what we saw with groupon is that they actually end up trading much higher than what the target price is at. we'll likely get a more exact target price on may 17 the day before that ipo. we'll be covering that live from

the nasdaq. that would be on may 18. so if history tells us anything, froebl a little higher, but really no way to tell. all the investors walking out, don't want to talk to the media at all. >> they're just being coy. you know they have a crush on you. >> awesome job. so republican presidential candidate mitt romney is in ohio. you've got a live picture up on your screen right now. you know what, he's right on the heels of president obama who kicked off his big old campaign right in that same state. think ohio is a big important place? you got that right. talk about it in a moment. playe throughout our entire lives. ♪ one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin, designed for many of men's health concerns as we age. ♪

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>> i'm looking at your income tax return where you took more than $1.5 million in foreign tax credits in 10 years, appreciate your comments. >> i'll look at it. >> i didn't think i paid any foreign income tax, but i would be happy to look at it. >> i'll be honest with you, i have no idea what the various pages of my tax return look

like, but good for you for saying you'll look at it. >> somebody stood up and was giving him the gears. i love how you're already smiling. i love these kinds of uptown hall where is people actually, you know, go after the candidate and give a tough question as opposed to a love fest. >> that was the most unscripted moment of the town hall. romney says i'll have to get back to you on that one. mitt romney criticized for his wealth and his swiss bank accounts. it will be interesting to see who supports that man who was asking the questions. ashley, mitt romney is trying to make this a referendum. mitt romney says h he's not

doing a very good job. down to 8.1%. it was during his borrowing in the first few months in office that he said the borrowing would keep the unemployment rate below 8%. 39 months later, it's still not below 8%. >> you'll hear more from that tomorrow from romney in michigan. >> we're hearing a lot of it out of europe, too. there may be some reverberations. maybe he'll be able to tie things together. talk to me about how the president is in ohio, ohio, o o ohio. but also virginia. >> exactly. i was there on saturday when the president had his first kickoff

rally. and then again on virginia the next day. this morning they released a new campaign commercial. they say it will start and put up $35 million over the next few months. that's a lot of money. >> america's economy spiraling down. >> the biggest point drop ever seen in a day. >> all before this president took the oath. >> some said our best days were behind him. but not him. >> don't bet against the american worker! >> you can see the theme right there. the president inherited a horrible economy and tried to turn it around. they also out to the achievements on the iraq war and the killing of osama bin laden. you're going to see a lot more than that. that's the narrative. where do things stand right now? take a look at this. one of two brand-new polls today.

dead even in the battleground states. didn't you and i chat this morning at 5:00 in the morning? >> well, it looks like you and i both pulled the same hours. one more question for you. you can't leave before i work you even harder. when i see polls like that i said oh, goody, that will be a barn burner. i heard this president obama's kickoff event was 2/3 ful >> the rally in ohio state is the arena holds about 18,000. they had about 14,000 there according to the fire department. so yeah, they didn't fill it and the romney campaign is touting that. the flip side is you go to any romney event, i think the largest crowd he's had is about 2,5 2,500. both campaigns will argue over the size of the crowds. we've got a lot more arguing to go overwhelm ever next six months. >> no problems on my hopy changy

reference? what? >> he did use hopy changy in the speech. >> it's a palin exchange just to get things excited. we're both working late. good to see you. thank you, talk to you tomorrow. >> meet your new boss, russia. he's the same as the old boss. you're welcome. yes, president vladimir putin is back in power. he did four years on the sideline kind of. served as prime minister. under his hand picked predecessor, dmitry medvedev, they are essentially switching offices and medvedev is likely to become putin's prime minister. follow? phil black does and he tells us, a growing graup group of russians seems to think this is just a big old sham. >> for the third time, vladimir putin entered the grand palace to be inauguratinged as russia's president. he first served between 2000 and 2008 before stepping side because of the constitutional

limit on two consecutive terms. he spent the last four years as prime minister and now me is back for potentially another two terms. after a grand entrance before opinion applauding crowd, he took the oath of office with one hand resting on a copy of russia's constitution. then in a speech, he spoke about how serving russia and its people is his meaning in life. he spoke on a familiarness of what he thinks is the tum of achievements as the dominant political figure in this country, restoring russia's strength and dignity. and also spoke on a subject that some russians will interpret cynically. he spoken't a his desire to increase constitutional rights and freedoms. about making the political process more inclusive. he spoke about democracy. >> translator: we want to live in a democratic country and where each person has freedom and use his talents and live in

russia that will be respected in the world as an open and predibtable partner. >> reporter: protests who oppose his continued rule wer being they turned out in small group, many wearing the white ribbon that has become the symbol of the opposition movement. that comes one day after tens of thousands of people marched through central moscow, again angry with his return in what was easily the most violent of all the opposition protests. analysts believe the ongoing challenge to his authority, as well as much needed and potentially difficult kmic reforms are just some of the issues that will ensure vladimir wn' third term as president looks and feels very different to his previous time in power. >> and from moscow, body found at churchill downs, just hours

after a big party, the kentucky derby. police are calling this a possible homicide. one of the people trying to sift through the clues and solve this mystery will be my guest next. ♪ you are my sunshine, my only sunshine ♪ ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] choose the same brand your mom trusted for you. children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by moms decade after decade.

a dark history hands over churchill downs. a body was found on sunday under feed bags in the back of a barn there. detectives say it is foul play. investigators believe the groomer was involved in some kind of an altercation and that injuries from his encounter led to his death.

joining me now is a homicide detective from the louisville metro police department. thank you for being with us. i understand the autopsy has just been completed within the last few hours. do you know anything? or certainly anything you could tell us? >> we know the cost of injuries. we're going to hold some of the details back due to the notoriety this case has gained, just to keep those from calling in who are looking for notoriety. >> does it support what you believed earlier, he died because of a fight? >> we do have evidence consistent with that. yes, it does appear to be some type of altercation. >> do you have a murder weapon? because in barns there are a lot of different accouterments.

is there anything you found in there or anything the autopsy might have told you about a murder weapon? >> we did collect evidence from the barn area supporting our facts which we believe is any type of altercation. . >> any suspects you're looking at right now? and certainly anybody brought in for questioning? >> we spoke to several people. more people of interest. we are talking to them currently and hoping that we can sort some of this information out. >> so we're looking at a map on our screen of churchill downs and where the actual body was found. it looks like they're some ways away. is there any connection that you can make or tell us about between the race that happened and all those people who were present and then that mysterious location of where the body was found? >> generally on the backside of the track, it's mainly the wo workers back there and trainer and groomers.

no distinct connection between the derby at all. maybe some of the festivities afterwards, but we're looking at this case as a homicide case as we normally would. not just the fact that it's another individual who's a parent, a father a brother of someone that we need to hold someone accountable who has done this to this individual. >> and is it true that it was h iz own son who identified the body? >> that is correct. we were having difficulty identifying who he was and we had to use family members. obviously he knew h iz father had not come home and was vital in identifying who he was. >> i can't imagine what that's like. just to -- tell me a little bit about the circumstances of how the body was discovered. the story is that mr. perez's body was you should feed bags. can you round that out. explain who found them, how they found him there and if that's actually an accurate description of the crime snaen. >> i can't go into details, but

it is a situation where the body was located in a barn. one of the training, i guess, groomers actually found the body back in the rear of the barn. if you know the stable area, that's actually stalls within the barn itself. and this body was kind of out of the way of the general staals where the horses are. and that's where the trainer had noticed some disarray and went back there and located the body. >> is there surveillance video back there? any witnesses that might have seen something unusual that would have been helpful? >> we have had some reports of altercations. we're trying to locate those individuals who had seen those. there are some surveillance cameras and we are currently reviewing those in the hopes of finding some information that we can use to lead us to this killer. >> so the eyewitnesses, i didn't even say ear witnesses. but it sounds like you may have had somebody who heard something that was out of sorts at the time this man died. >> that's somewhat accurate.

again, there were some altercations at the track that night. we're trying to sort through was this individual involved? could it have stemmed from that? or is it a situation where those are separate events. >> that's a bit of a clue. you're saying altercations plural. there were fights going on, not in this location, maybe elsewhere? what do you mean? >> dpurg derby time, there's a lot of festivities. there will be some altercations that day. i wouldn't say all of them were on the backside of the track. but in that area, it's a very large area, very large crowds. large numbers. so, you know, we're trying to sort through exactly what people had seen and some of the stories that we're hearing. >> so let me ask you this, is this as much of a mystery to you all as it seems to us at this stage? i would say without question, it's a situation where we're kind of trying to backtrack from the events that took place when

we found the body. and again, trying to sort through what is accurate. and again, with the language barrier, find those who are willing to speak to us and kwet the information and try to sort some of this and find a piece of the puzzle we need to put this together. >> appreciate it. i really wish you luck in finding who's responsible for this. >> thank you very much. >> thank for joining us live. do appreciate it. and just days before north carolina voters decide on an amendment to ban gay marriage in that state, making some news, joe biden, the vice president along with the education secretary arnie duncan talking, making statements that are making news. they are in favor of same sex marriage. period. but is this the new policy of the administration? first, though, a wallet, bank card and a gold belt. now you know who it belongs to. look at that photo. and look at those baby feet pictures. it's elvis presley's memorabi a memorabilia. we'll bringing it to you in a way you have not seen before.

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